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May 4, 2008

What Is The Status Of Women In The “Kingdom”?

Filed under: AWRLBTWWII, Human Rights, Muslim Women, Saudi Arabia — Peaceful Me @ 11:47 pm

Yeah, I know. You’ll get lots of differing responses to this, just as you do when you ask Muslim women how they feel about wearing a headscarf. But I submit the following based on actual research by Hatoon Al-Fassi on women in Arabia during the pre-Islamic times (by Andrew Hammond forĀ Reuters:

RIYADH (Reuters) - When clerics, ministers and businessmen gathered at a forum in Riyadh last month to discuss women in the workplace, there were no women in sight. Typically for Saudi Arabia, the women who took part were seated in a separate room so the men could only hear them. Such oddities are part and parcel of the complex system of social control maintained by clerics of Saudi Arabia’s austere version of Sunni Islamic law, often termed Wahhabism. It’s a system called into question by scholar Hatoon al-Fassi.

In her study, “Women In Pre-Islamic Arabia”, the outspoken rights advocate argues women in the pre-Islamic period enjoyed considerable rights in the Nabataean state, an urban Arabian kingdom centered in modern Jordan, south Syria and northwest Saudi Arabia during the Roman empire. Most controversially, Fassi says women in Nabataea — whose capital was the famous rose-red city of Petra in south Jordan and which was at its height during the lifetime of Jesus Christ — enjoyed more freedom than in Saudi Arabia today because clerics have misunderstood the origins of Islamic law. She also suggests some Saudi restrictions on women may have their origins in Greco-Roman traditions.

“One of the objectives of this book is to question the assumption of subordination of women in pre-Islamic Arabia,” Fassi writes. “Most of the practices related to women’s status are based on some local traditional practices that are not necessarily Islamic. Nor are they essentially Arabian.”

She argues women in Nabataea were free to conduct legal contracts in their own name with no male guardian, unlike in Greek and Roman law, and in Saudi Arabia where the guardian is central to the clerics’ idea of a moral public sphere. The Wahhabi interpretation of sharia requires a “muhrim” — father, husband, brother or son — to accompany women in public, allow them to travel and attest their legal contracts. U.S.-based Human Rights Watch attacked that system in a report in April as treating women as effectively legal minors.

At last month’s televised “National Dialogue”, clerics insisted women could work only in segregated female-only workspaces. Their opponents in government say these rules have kept unemployment among women at around 26 percent.

“I found that with Nabataean women the legal status and self representation was stronger and more evident than with Greek women who needed always a ‘tutor’, or representative, in order to conclude any contract,” Fassi said in an interview.

“An adaptation of Greek and Roman laws was inserted in Islamic law,” she said, referring to guardianship. “I would insist that it’s an ancient adaptation, that (Muslim) scholars are not aware of, and they would really be shocked.”

ORIGINS OF SHARIA

The main schools of sharia were codified in the 9th century AD in territories where a ruling Arab elite mixed with non-Arab and non-Muslim populations in the aftermath of the Arab conquests and the rise of Islam in the 7th century AD. The main body of the law is derived mainly from oral traditions attributed to the Prophet Mohammad, and viewed by Islamic scholars as divine in origin. Scholars in the West have seen, in effect, a mix of Arabian, Jewish and Roman origins.

“The argument about Greco-Roman law having influenced the sharia rules about women could have some basis if one thinks in terms of Middle Eastern adaptations — ‘provincial versions’ — of Greco-Roman law,” said Gerald Hawting, a historian of early Islam at the School of Oriental & African Studies in London.

Fassi, he said, “is not likely to win many friends among the traditional ulama (scholars) by arguing that important elements of the sharia originate from human history and not from God”.

Fassi’s ideas reflect views often expressed by Arab liberals — that restrictive traditions in the empires conquered by the Arabs found their way into Islam. Egyptian feminist Nawal al-Saadawi, for one, has often been attacked for saying as much.

“The deterioration in women’s status is clear. We now live the worst status imaginable as women,” said Fawziya al-Oyouni, a women’s rights activist who lobbies for women’s right to drive. “There is no religious text that stipulates ‘guardianship’.”

MORE LIBERAL TIMES

Signs are around 2,000 years ago things were not so strict. Using coins and inscriptions on Nabataean tombs and monuments in Greek and Semitic languages, Fassi surmises that women’s independent status was linked to a rise in trade and political exchanges in the ancient world at the time.

“There was a certain economic change in that period that allowed women to become stronger or more visible,” she said. “I believe it was because of the economic absence of men … At the end of the first century BC the caravan trade became intensive, twice a year rather than once in the previous millennium.”

The last of the Middle East states to fall to direct Roman rule in 106 AD, the Nabataean confederation’s power was based on desert trade routes from Yemen to Greece and Rome. Nabataean queens had coins struck in their name and showing their face, with light hair-covering veils. Today, Saudi clerics expound at length on television and in other forums on the complex rules over when women can and cannot reveal their faces.

An urbanized Bedouin state, Nabataea has received relatively little attention from scholars, some of whom question whether it was authentically Arab. Petra was even forgotten to history until “discovered” in 1812 by Swiss explorer Johann Burckhardt. Fassi, banned from teaching at King Saud University since 2001, suggested one reason for the neglect was that Nabataea defies stereotypes about Arabs.

“(Nabataea) has weakened the idea that Arabians were merely or essentially nomads, by having an Arabian urbanized state,” she says in her book, published by British Archaeological Reports.

This woman is probably considered very dangerous by TPTB , but she doesn’t look like such a threat, does she? ;)

Oh, this really gives me so many interesting things to explore!

15 Comments »

  1. The article was extremely informational. Suroor has blogged about the same topic in the past.

    Thanks for sharing.

    Comment by Organic Muslimah — May 5, 2008 @ 3:13 am

  2. Very interesting. It is a topic that fascinates me. Islam, which gave women so many rights, originated in Saudi, yet they still seem a little behind where the rights of women are concerned.

    Comment by Solace — May 5, 2008 @ 9:18 am

  3. Islam puts women on a pedestal. It protects their honor, guards their dignity, highlights their importance to the Muslim world as a whole, and eradicates the idea that they are second class to men. Any intelligent person would be able to see that if they actually read.

    These days, too many people judge Islam by the actions of the Muslims rather than the teachings of Islam. This is very foolish to do.

    I never liked the Saudi regime. They are tyrants who live to please themselves and the “important” people of that society. I know it may sound like an assumption, but these are the same people PAYING America to protect them from their own people. If a leader can’t have an open door to his people due to fear of what these people want to do to him, then he is not worthy of leadership. Allah does not want these kind of hypocrites leading the masses. This probably explains any of the corruption happening in the lower ranks, including the religious rulings of the nation.

    Comment by Omar — May 5, 2008 @ 12:49 pm

  4. Excellent post PM-thanks!

    Comment by muneera — May 6, 2008 @ 2:02 pm

  5. Salaam,

    Good post….very informative

    Comment by TheAngryMuslimah — May 6, 2008 @ 10:56 pm

  6. Assalm-alaikam Sister PM,
    great post, I’m very interested in Nabataea now. I think also we have these very rigid thinking about women and oppression in the time of Jahaliyyah and after, that its a surprise/uncomfortable for some to consider anything different.

    Very brave of Hatoon Al-Fassi to raise these issues.

    Comment by Umm Salihah — May 6, 2008 @ 11:01 pm

  7. “These days, too many people judge Islam by the actions of the Muslims rather than the teachings of Islam. This is very foolish to do.”

    It’s an interesting statement, Oman. I have always struggled w/ the notion of what religion is: the holy books or the people that practice it. If the way it is practiced (and preached) is such a deviation from the scriptures it would seem that a Islam is in great need of a reformation-not so different than the protestant reformation.

    Comment by Cairogal — May 7, 2008 @ 6:21 pm

  8. You make a valid point Cairogal. However, the religion is not in need of reformation; it’s the people who need it. Islam does not order the people to murder and rape. It never did. It orders us to defend ourselves from oppression. Some Muslims have expanded on that by claiming that all nonMuslims are oppressive, therefore they should all be killed. Obviously that is faulty.

    It should be noted that every religion has its extremists, but todays media focuses on the Muslims. Hence, the overexaggerated Islamophobia that exists at the moment. It was done to the “Commies”, “Japs”, “Jews” and Chinese(or “sick man” of Europe).

    My point is, the religion never needed changing. The people need to change how they follow their religion. Islam was always perfect in every aspect. If it was a religion of extremism and death, then you would see alot more than a few hundred “terrorists” attacking America right now. You would also see alot more than a book full of cases where Muslim women are being mistreated. There are over a billion of us! Also, i see daily news here on women being beaten and mistreated, yet that is just “dysfunctional families” or “abusive relationships”.

    Religion is set of teachings designed to reform and improve the livelihood of the people following such teachings. When the people fail to meet the criteria of such teachings, then the idea of religion no longer applies. It becomes political. It is man made, thus religion does not play an important role in the actions of such people. It becomes a convenience to these people.

    As Hitler once stated, “Christianity made me the man i am today. It taught me how to kill Jews. I like killing Jews. I also like eating them. Especially the dark meat. It is juicier than white meat. White power”. Just kidding.

    Comment by Omar — May 7, 2008 @ 11:59 pm

  9. What a wonderful breath of fresh thinking !!!!! Thank you so much for a thought provoking post !

    Comment by On The Edge — May 8, 2008 @ 3:26 am

  10. Well, in a way, it is the religion that needs changing. Not the Quran, perse, but perhaps it is the Islamic scholars, clerics, and the like that need to revisit the way that the religion is preached and adhered to. Islam is egalitarian-very much unlike the Catholic church, but as a result it’s not as though one person or one group of people can step in and say to Muslims worldwide, “We’ve got problems.”

    I do disagree w/ you about religion being perfect. I don’t believe any religion is perfect, because every single one has been touched, altered, and meddled with by man.

    Comment by Cairogal — May 8, 2008 @ 4:53 am

  11. Of course there are some scholars and clerics who have deviated in their interpretations. Some of them are a product of the culture, so we can’t judge them on that. Others are simply sellouts. They wish to appease a certain crowd and have done a good job in creating mass divisions among the Muslims. At the same time, we can’t ignore the other factors involved in our divisions, but we’ll avoid going off topic.

    I beg to differ about religion being perfect. As a Muslim, i have yet to find anyone who can find anything in the Qur’an that is imperfect. I whole heartedly believe that God protects this book from being tainted by men. It’s easily verifiable in the fact that 1000 year old text is exactly the same as todays prints.

    Some will come up with verses or surahs to back their claim, and if i am knowledgeable enough to answer each one, i will. I have yet to find anything imperfect, but you are entitled to your opinion and hopefully through deeper research you will find the Truth, whatever that may be.

    Comment by Omar — May 9, 2008 @ 6:48 am

  12. correction- I beg to differ about religion being IMperfect.

    Comment by Omar — May 9, 2008 @ 6:49 am

  13. While the Quran may remain unchanged it is things like hadiths that have been touched by man. All would be well and good if hadiths of various levels of reliability were not relied upon so heavily by observers of the faith. But they are. I don’t suspect this something you and I will come to an agreement on, Omar, but everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions. Perhaps through deeper research you, too, will come find the truth, whatever that may be. :)

    Comment by Cairogal — May 10, 2008 @ 1:57 am

  14. It has been a while since I did any reading on this topic, so I can’t cite sources, but I do know that veiling among elite women in Persia and Greece pre-dates Islam. During biblical times, all women covered their hair somewhat. Particularly Jewish women. However, it was a sign of status for Greek and Roman women to be able to afford the luxury of face veiling — or a litter — which was another sort of veil. Even in modern Islamic times, until recently, face covering was a “luxury” (Turkish harams and all) for women of status. In fact, according to what I remember reading, it was a privilege reserved only for “some” women…and was picked up by the Turks who took it a step further with their elaborate harams (worth remembering that the Ottomans governed most of the Arab world for over 500 years).

    Most ordinairy women in agrarian societies (you don’t see face veiling in Islamic cultures where women MUST work) had to participate in some degree of physical labor and so could not function with faces covered.

    I also understand, that even in KSA, until rather recently–except in the wahhabi heartland, the najd, most women didn’t cover their faces, and there were a variety of dress styles, depending on region and status. Bedoin women certainly didn’t cover their faces, as they were too hard working.

    And it is hard to imagine that the Prophet’s wife Khadija, the wealthy business woman-who was wealthy due to her own efforts before she married Mohammaed covered her face either.

    My .02! It is certainly a fascinating topic which deserves a lot more research.

    Comment by aleithea — May 10, 2008 @ 5:58 am

  15. That is correct aleithea regarding Persian women. It is also consistent with a sizable amjority of Qatari women who wear niqaab. It is viewed as a sign of status (ie., these women are so precious their families insit on hiding their beauty). In fact, it is mainly Western women I know who see niqaab as a symbol of being more pious. That certainly isn’t how it is viewed in Qatar.

    Comment by peacefulmuslimah — May 10, 2008 @ 1:01 pm

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